What Libertarians Consider Strong Others Consider Weak & Libertarians Need To Start Producing Credible Solutions

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ziggy_encaoua
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Posted on: January 24, 2010 - 10:44am

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Anybody in Britain who saw the news headlines last Friday wouldn't of failed to of noticed the story concerning the two brothers being jailed indefinitely for torturing two young boys. Yet again questions are being asked by politicians, the media & the public, as to why when social services were aware of the circumstances of these two brothers, they didn't intervene far more in relation to their upbringing. This case & others asks hard questions for libertarians as well as exposing an uncomfortable truth for libertarians, which is what libertarians regard as government being strong the vast majority of the public regard as the government being weak.

 


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Gardner Goldsmith
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Posted on: January 26, 2010 - 5:24pm #1

Zig!

You make a good point. I tend to look at government as being bureaucratic, reckless and immune to the incentives that drive productive decision making. Citing "strong" government, in my eyes, is merely a re-wording of the fact that the state and its agents can, when they wish, do what they want to you with impunity. So the agents of the state can steal, injure, etc., without any recourse from the victim. At the same time, that doesn't preclude the agents of the state also not doing what many people in the society might expect a "good" government should do. I think they go hand in hand. Perhaps we ought to express that "strong" government is open to corruption, and results in both tyranny and reckless disregard for the peace-keeping, "protective" activity many people expect of it.

If government agents aren't answerable for their agression, they certainly won't be answerable for their sloth and inactivity where people would expect them to do their so-called "proper" job.

Of course, as an anarchist, I need to cite for anyone reading who has just discovering these ideas that all government is predicated on aggression and theft, even what people call the "proper" government that "protects" property. It has to steal property against one's will in order to form the police force that is supposed to protect it.


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silentthriller
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Posted on: January 27, 2010 - 2:40pm #2

The government has a fantastic public relations scheme called government school which has indocrinated the majority of people to think exactly what the government wants them to think. Furthermore, the mainstream media echoes what the government dictates. Small l Libertarians, Voluntaryists, Anarchists, etc. make up a small amount of the population. So if you consider yourself among this group then what you say or think isn't going to be popular anyway. Solutions are presented all the time. Yes, they are just theory until they are tested. But the general public  won't test them because they are apathetic, afraid, or flat out opposed to liberty. Since the majority of the public has been indoctrinated, it will take a great deal to get them to think critically about what it takes to produce real change from the current paradigm of dumbocracy. I'm optimistic that people will be more aware of what's really going on as we work our way towards complete liberty.


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flemming
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Posted on: March 9, 2010 - 4:11am #3

Out of the long line of people that use the government to their advantage, you would be at the very bottom of the list. I know this sounds like a rationalization but in a government dominated society, its kind of hard to be pure. I don't get mad at teachers for being paid in tax dollars. Whether they are providing wedding shoes a "service" is besdies the point. In the U.S. most education is run by the government. If you want to teach, you're probably going to be working for the government. Even Murray Rothbard taught at a State School, UNLV. I'm sure that libertarians in the USSR were taking a government paycheck for some BS jobs. Anyway, I hope you find something in what's left of your private sector.


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vicky995
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Posted on: March 17, 2010 - 11:14pm #4

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